74 gun ship for Mexico in 1825

Anything and everything about sailing vessels, be they warships, merchantmen or something completely different
Post Reply
AvM
Captain
Posts: 196
Joined: Tue May 30, 2017 9:39 am

74 gun ship for Mexico in 1825

Post by AvM » Mon May 21, 2018 2:08 pm

Globe - Wednesday 30 November 1825

AMERICAN PAEPRS.

[From the Washington Paper.]

An Antigua papesr gives the following from private letter from of the 3d Sept. An expeditionla to sail against Cube the 15th inst. from Carthtgena. The Mexican, 64 guns, two frigutes, three brigs, and 32 schooners, and all the Colombian navy, with nineteen thousand troops. This is the news of the day.

The following information from Mexico has been received New York from Mr. Godwin B, Gotten, who came passenger the brig Le<.nline, Captain Hazard, from Alvarado via Havanna. Great preparations were making by the commander the Mexican squadron, lying at Sacrificioa, to attack the Spanish fleet, which was hourly expected to arrive to supply the Castle San Juan de Ulioa.

A press took place Alvarado few daya previous to the sailing of the Leentine, and about one hundred and fifty men had been Impressed and sent to Sacnfleles to be put on board the fleet, which consist* of the frigate Liberlad of 44 guns, two brigs, the Victoria and Bravo, of 22 gun* each, and several schooners and gun boats. The Libertad, Victoria, and Bravo, had recently arrived from London. Mr. Mlchellias, late Minister from the Republic of Mexico to the Court of St. James, came passenger in the Libertad from London. He states that one 74 gun ship, one 44 gun frigate, and one brig of 22 guns, hourly expected from London for the Mexican Government. The Spanish snpplying fleet left Havannah the 19th of September; it consisted of three frigates, one sloop of war, and two transports. Some fishermen belonging to the Castle were captured the 1st of September, by the Victoria; they represented the provisions in the Castle to be scarce, end stated that the scurvy had made its appearance among the troops. A report was in circulation Alvarado, that Coppinger, the Commander of the Castle, had threatened in few days to demolish the city of Vera Cruz. embargo was talked of when the Leontine sailed from Alvarado.

AvM
Captain
Posts: 196
Joined: Tue May 30, 2017 9:39 am

Re: 74 gun ship for Mexico in 1825

Post by AvM » Sat May 26, 2018 1:23 pm

https://www.todoababor.es/datos_docum/nav_mexico.htm

Translated from Spanish by Google translator

 Some light on this issue is thrown HSu, because even the brief analysis of this work that can be done by almost unknown Swedish language allows to point out that three warships of that Nordic Navy were hired by Mexico on June 1, 1826, precisely through the firm Barclay, Herring, Richardson & Comp. Those three ships, which never reached Mexico, were the line ship "Försigtigheten" (HSu) /
"Försiktigheten" and the twin frigates "Eurydice" (offered shortly before to Gran Colombia) and "Camilla". Given the date of the contract indicated in HSu (1826), the ship offered to Mexico would not have been scrapped in 1825 (a twin of the "Tapperheten", even older) but another larger and more modern, originally called "Konung Gustaf IV Adolf ", Then" Gustaf den Store "from 1811, rebuilt between 1819 and 1824 and finally renamed" Försiktigheten "in 1825. In case of doubt (due to the date of the contract with the financiers, celebrated in 1824 as reported by Oala), the data of both ships (waiting to determine conclusively which of the two was offered to Mexico), as well as the two frigates:

"Försiktigheten" (first of that name in Swedish army). Armament of 62 guns, composed of 26 to 24 or 32 pounds, 28 to 18 or 24 pounds and 8 to 6 or 8 pounds. Length of 167 Swedish feet (49.58 meters), 45-foot Swedish sleeves with 9 inches (Su assigns 46 Swedish feet, 13.66 meters), 19-feet Swedish draft with 6 inches (Su assigns you 20 Swedish feet, 5.94 meters); 1925 tons. His keel was laid on August 28, 1784 and was launched on October 23, 1784 in Karlskronavarvet by Fredrik Henrik af Chapman. He fought in the battles of Hogland on July 17, 1788, Ölands on July 26, 1789, Revel on May 13, 1790, of the gauntlet of Viborg on July 3, 1790 and on the expiration of Ratan in 1809. Scrapped in 1825. Su-Ot
"Försiktigheten" (second of that name - with which it was renamed in 1825 - in Swedish army). Armament of 74, 76 or 78 guns, composed by 28 or 30 guns of to 36 pounds, 30 of to 24 pounds and 16 of to 12 pounds (His and others add 2 carronadas of to 24 pounds). Length of 54.63 meters (184 Swedish feet), beam of 14.75 meters (49.66 Swedish feet / 49 Swedish feet 8 inches) and draft of 6.60 meters (22.25 Swedish feet / 22 Swedish feet 3 inches ); 2680-2700 tons of displacement. His keel was laid on July 9, 1785 and was launched on September 16, 1799 by Fredrik Henrik af Chapman in Karlskronavarvet. Scrapped in 1871 (Ot). Discharged in 1876 (Su). Su-Ot

"Camilla" (second of his name in the Swedish army). Frigate. Built in Karlskronavarvet by Fredrik Henrik af Chapman. Started on August 28, 1784 and launched on October 23, 1784. Length of 46.3 meters, beam of 11.9 meters and draft of 5.2 meters, 1345 tons. Armament of 40 guns, composed of 26 pieces of 24 and 14 of 6 pounds. Discharged in 1842.

"Eurydice." Frigate. Built in Karlskronavarvet by Fredrik Henrik af Chapman. Started on July 9, 1785 and launched on August 31, 1785. Length of 46.3 meters, beam of 11.9 meters and draft of 5.2 meters, 1345 tons. Armament of 40 guns, composed of 26 pieces of 24 and 14 of 6 pounds. He fought against the Russians in Öland on July 26, 1789, Reval on May 13, 1790 and Viborg on July 3, 1790. Discharged in 1858.

HSu = Carl Georg Starbäck y Per Olof Bäckström, “Berättelser ur Svenska historien”

Navclio
Commander
Posts: 87
Joined: Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:40 pm

Re: 74 gun ship for Mexico in 1825

Post by Navclio » Sat May 26, 2018 4:45 pm

As usual, after running a text through Google Translate, it is necessary to translate the translation.

I have reference material on the Swedish navy and its sailing ships and can post more information about the ships mentioned, later. I wasn't aware that the Swedish navy tried to sell any of its ships to Mexico or anyone else. The navy had suffered heavy sailing-ship losses at the end of the 1788–90 war with Russia, which largely were not replaced, and the navy was run down further as the ships of the 1780s building program finally wore out. The navy hardly needed to dispose of serviceable ships!

AvM
Captain
Posts: 196
Joined: Tue May 30, 2017 9:39 am

Re: 74 gun ship for Mexico in 1825

Post by AvM » Sat May 26, 2018 5:45 pm

I am very busy with other projects, so as the original text will translate later.

There are some mentions about sale to Mexico in other documents, but it need time.

Post Reply