Guernsey privateer "Vittoria," c. 1813

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Re: Guernsey privateer "Vittoria," c. 1813

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sgtfox wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 7:32 pm Hi, AvM,
Thank you very much for your replies.
Unfortunately till now nobody tried to complete the stories of US and French privateers seized by British forces.

Most of British registers survived. I mean registres of harbous , not published lists Shipowners etc (later LLoyd's)
It seems tjhat for VITTORIA no data survived as BT107/468-471 are reported missing at transfer.

interesting: Guernsey registered prize ships in 1813
#4 Harriet 80 25/94bm
#5 Falcon 186 (was taken by the enamy in the 1814/15 period)
#6 Alfred 143
#9 Intrepid 67
#14 Barossa 201 25/94
#16 Resolution 229 88/94 (was sold to foreigners at Rio de Janeiro 10 May 1817)
#17 Echo 189 84/94
#20 Charles 185 81/94
#21 Rose 78 50/94
#22 Virginia 29
#23 Cossack 233 2/94 (was sold to foreigners at Rio de Janeiro 16 January 1817)
there are of course such ships as
#24 Vittoria which was lost

I just browsed LLoyd 1814 (Shipowners)
BAROSA brig 200t built 1811 Baltimore master D.Dorey, owner J.Tupper
COSSACK schooner 233t built 1811 Baltimore master Bienvenue owner F.Delisle 6x9pdr carronadea
CHARLES ship 185t French Prize sharp built master & owner Stanbury 3x6pdr guns

From LLoyd 1816 (Underwriters)
RESOLUTION brig 229 built New York 1810 master & owner J. Le Leivre
ECHO ship built USA 1812 (?) 190t master & owner J.Pearce

From LLoyd 1816 (Shipowners)
RESOLUTION brig 235 French Prize built 1809 sharp master & owner T.L. Leivre 2x9pdr 6x12carronades
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Re: Guernsey privateer "Vittoria," c. 1813

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Guernsey registered prize ships in 1814
#2 Midas 155
#14 General Doyle 288
#15 Lord Collingwood : property changed
#16 Lord Collingwood 195 79/94

From LLoyd 1816 (Shipowners)
LORD COLLINGWOOD brig 195t built USA 1808 master Domviolle owner Mainsell

I was not able to trace GENERAL DOYLE

From LLoyd 1814 (Undewriters)
MIDAS Brig 155t built Cowes 8 years old; master Le Brun owner Cohen & Co

From LLoyd 1816 (Shipowners)
MIDAS Brig 155t built Cowes 1800; master Le Brun owner Cohn & Co 2x9pdr
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Re: Guernsey privateer "Vittoria," c. 1813

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sgtfox wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 7:32 pm Hi, AvM,
I hope the book you were writing was published and that everything is well with you.
The book is still not ready, but perhaps the next year.
Actually I making consolidation of Brazilian Navy (ie prurchases, captures, etc), during the Independenca War and war with Argentina.
It is possible thet the above two ships sold at Rio in 1817, were purchased by the Portugal Navy.
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Re: Guernsey privateer "Vittoria," c. 1813

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Some news

GUERNSEY PRIVATEERS
H. C. Timewell
The Mariner's Mirror Volume 56, 1970 - Issue 2
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10. ... 0.10658533

Michael Dun
I've put up a pdf which may be of some help.
https://www.1812privateers.org/Guernsey.pdf

The last oine gives noithing more as we alrerady known
VITTORIA
HCA: Built Foreign (Prize)
BT 162/4: 24/1813 258 tons
30 Sep 1814: Protection - on a cruise (David de Putron) Protections
1 Oct 1813: Letter of Marque (Wm. de Putron) Owners William de Putron, Thos. HCA John Brehaut, John Valrent
BT 162/4: 30 Sep 1813 year ended - lost

https://www.1812privateers.org/Great_Britain/index.html
gives the following privaters operating from Guernsey

Ref: ADM 7/319 - by Port
Guernsey Algeziras 210 John Ferguson
Guernsey Antelope 267 John Le Pelley
Guernsey Antelope 189 James Litton
Guernsey Antelope 267 Peter Duchemin
Guernsey Barossa 201 Daniel Dorey
Guernsey Brothers 172 Nicholasl Le Mesurier
Guernsey Cossack 233 John Bienvenu
Guernsey Dart 114 John Thomas
Guernsey Dash 114 Thomas Guilbert
Guernsey Drake 130 Robert Hearle
Guernsey Eagle 223 William Tardiff
Guernsey Echo 189 84⁄94 James Pearce
Guernsey General Doyle 288 Peter Le Lacheur
Guernsey Gleaner 190 Nicholas Mahy
Guernsey Hart 144 Hugh Pearce
Guernsey Hawke 86 John Phillips
Guernsey Intrepid 67 Michael Reynolds
Guernsey Lightning 188 Peter Collas
Guernsey Lion 127 Joseph Thorbon
Guernsey Mary 165 Abraham Blondell
Guernsey Phoenix 113 Thomas Hamilton
Guernsey Resolution 229 Nicholas Alexander
Guernsey Sarneia 321 Peter Tardif
Guernsey Sir John Doyle 244 Peter Le Cheminant?
Guernsey Speedwell 344 Thomas Denham
Guernsey Two Brothers 225 Samuel Brown
Guernsey Two Brothers 275 John Flere
Guernsey Vittoria 258 William De Putron
Guernsey Zenobia 258 Thomas Guilbert
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interesting: Guernsey registered prize ships in 1813
#23 Cossack 233 2/94 (was sold to foreigners at Rio de Janeiro 16 January 1817)
Gazeta do Rio de Janeiro (RJ) 20 Nov 1816
ENTRADAS Dia 16 do corrente
From Tatrragona 48 days; (E.Ing.=) English schooner COSSACA , master Delarrzie; boroker Miller, cargo:vino

According to "Tres Seculos no Mar (1640-1910)
VII Parte /Esunas e Iates

In 1816-1822 Portuguese operated schooner COSSACA

Her Brazilian service is shortly described:
http://www.naval.com.br/ngb/C/C107/C107.htm

Mendonça, Mário F. e Vasconcelos, Alberto. Repositório de Nomes dos Navios da Esquadra Brasileira. 3ª edição. Rio de Janeiro. SDGM. 1959. p.76.
she was firstly mentioned on 15 Novcember 1816 under 1°Tenente Manoel de Siqueira Campelo.
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Re: Guernsey privateer "Vittoria," c. 1813

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Brig ZENOBIA could be not found in Registers of Guernsey :(

Unfortunately she is also not listed in Registers of Shipping (Shipowners & Underwriters)

Lloyd's List - Friday 22 May 1812
The Zenobia, Shaddy, from Bordeaux to New York ; and (he Falcon, Wilson, from Baltimore to Bordeaux, arc detained by the Bart Privateer, and carried into Guernsey. The Master, Mate, and one of tfle Crew of the Falcon, were dangerously wounded.
It seems that she could be New York brig ZENOBIOA built 1811 at Matheus County, Va. of 232t
and registered at New York 16 Dec 1811

Evening Post Wednesday, Nov 13, 1811 New York, NY
There is an advertisement "for sale"
"the fine pilot boat built brig ZENOBIA", captain Hudgen

She firstly was mentioned
Federal Republican Monday, Jul 22, 1811 Baltimore, MD
Brig ZENOBIA, Hudgins of Norfolk
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