Greek corsairs of 1820s

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What are the Sund Registers?
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Makis wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:35 pm What are the Sund Registers?
Danish straits.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_straits

there was published a list of vessels coming through.
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I was talking about the Bosporus straits and the Dardanelles :!:
At Constantinople....Istanbul, modern Turkey :!:
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Makis wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:45 pm I was talking about the Bosporus straits and the Dardanelles :!:
At Constantinople....Istanbul, modern Turkey :!:
Yes, but very probably similar procedure was on Sund, Denmark.
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Brigs incorporated into the new Greek Navy in 1830

Kimvros (Κίμβρος) 225bm Sold for 705 drachmes 1840. Listed with 2 x 9pdr and 8 x 18pdr carronades 1835.
Antizilos (Αντιζηλος) Sunk by Miaoulis' rebels at Almiro-Lakoniaz, Almyros Bay, Laconia 08.1831.
Ahilleus (Αχιλλευς) Sunk by Miaoulis' rebels at Almiro-Lakoniaz, Almyros Bay, Laconia 08.1831.
Themistokles (Θεμιστοκλης) Served in the Greek Navy from 1830 to 1833, mainly as a transport.
Leonidas (Λεωνιδας) In service from 1830, went out from the list by 1833.
Timoleon (Τιμολεων) Served in the Greek Navy from 1830 to 1833
Nelson (Νέλσον) 245t 10x12pdr 83 men Purchased by the Greek Government from the owner, D. Papalikoli 01.1834 for 6,500 tallars. Wrecked near Gastoune, west coast of Peloponnese Peninsula 02.12.1836 when transporting 128 Bavarian troops to Trieste. No lives lost.
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Ares ('Αρης) 245t A ship of the Greek War for Independence owned by A.Tsamadou. Purchased after the war by Greek Government and renamed Athena (Αθηνα). Returned to prevoius name Ares in 1879. Served as a cadets training ship 1863-1865 and 1882-1885. Disarmed by 1873 but armed again c. 1912. Great repair 1867. Scuttled with honours off Kyra Island 1921 due to high cost of maintenance despite tensions to keep her as a memory ship of the War for Independence. In the West she is also known under her Roman name Minerva instead of Athena.
Herakles (Ηρακλής) 298b,m 2x9pdr 10x42pdr 51men . Owned and commanded by A. Giannitsis during the War for Independence. Purchased by Greek Government 1830 for 7,500 tallares. Armamend was reduced soon to 2 x 9pdr and Herakles served as a transport. Sold as useless 1840 for 5,255 drachmes to the prevoius owner. In the West she is also known under her Roman name Hercules.

Any additions , especially about origins. Nelson looks like really former merchant vessel, becouse of light armamant.

Ther is a gree fleet in 1830.
http://www.hellasarmy.gr/hn_monadn.php?active=1830
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AvM wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:11 pm Nelson (Νέλσον) 245t 10x12pdr 83 men Purchased by the Greek Government from the owner, D. Papalikoli 01.1834 for 6,500 tallars. Wrecked near Gastoune, west coast of Peloponnese Peninsula 02.12.1836 when transporting 128 Bavarian troops to Trieste. No lives lost.
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Very interesting.

I have found brig Nelson already in 1826 under German colonel Heideck.
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Travels in Greece and Turkey: Being the Second Part of Excursions in ..., Band 1
von Sir Grenville Temple
1836
Greek Navy
Corvette, Prince Royal of Bavaria (20)
Brig, Nelson (20)
....... Minerva (16)
....... Hercules (16)
....... Cambrian (12)
Barque, Phoenix (16)
Schooner, Lady Codrington (12)
....... Smyrna (10)
....... Leda (10)
....... Eucharis (10)
....... Kara-iskakis (8)
....... Argus(8)
Ten gun-boats of 1 gun each
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The United Service Magazine
May 1842
listed the Greek Navy ships

"NOTICES OF THE NAVAL AND MILITARY ESTABLISHMENTS
OF GREECE.
BY A COMMANDER IN THE NAVY.
FORMING AN APPENDIX TO LIEUT.-COL. NAPIER's "CRUISE IN THE LEVANT.'

Brig, Hercules (16) - new transport 2 guns only, formerly 12 guns
....... Cambrian (12) - pirate taken at Carabusa
Barque, Phoenix (16) - 2 guns belonging originally to Bobalina
....... Mars - 2 guns belonged to Miouslis family employed as transport
Schooner, Lady Codrington (12) - 10 guns, pirate taken at Candia
....... Smyrna (10) .- captured from Turks
....... Leda (10) - piratical vessel taken during war
....... Argus(8) - 2 guns


The Athena, Hercules, Phoenix, and Themistocles—the latter the property of the Tombazi family, but now not sea-worthy—were employed during the War of the Revolution, and after the establishment of a regular Government were purchased into the service; but up to the present day, strange as it may appear, they have not been yet paid for—a fact not reflecting much credit upon the present Administration, or those authorities having the arrangement of naval affairs.
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From my hanwriten notices (in London or in Berlin),-but I was a student and I have money for copies

24 Apr 1821: 8 brigs
............... 11 Hydra, 7 Spetsai 32 (?)
then.......... 37 Tambosis
............... 12 Miaulis (Hydra)
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............... 65 or 99 sails

1822 : 65 sail : 27 Hydra, 20 Spetsai 16 Psara, 2 fireships

2.06.1823 at Kaxos: 18 armed ships and 40 small craft were taken or destroyed by the Egyptian Fleet of 45 sails

1.07.1823 at Psara: nearly 100 vessels of various kind were captured by the Turkish fleet of 82 sails
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It seems that also early Greek gunboats were foreign built.

1823 Frellsen, a Dane brought a Gunboat

he should be the same
Frellsun, Henry,(commanded the gunboat, Philhellene and the transport vessel, Geneua, 1827 -8).

Philhellene was 34tons gunboat 1x68pdr and 1x3pdr carronade.

Two others gunboats 34 tons armend 1x32pdr, then rearmed by Hastings with 1x68pdr
BAVARIA Commanded by George Darby in 1826?. broken up in 1839
HELVETIA During the Independence war under Fabricius
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